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Harold Pinter - truth, politics and art

The memory of the late Harold Pinter has been invoked today by one of our blog's eminent correspondents.

Truth.   That most elusive of notions.

Stephen Conroy and the Labor Party seem to want to mediate it.   I've listened to Pinter today while I get ready to read the media control legislation that Conroy is about to introduce to the parliament.

As our correspondent, a Sydney barrister said earlier today in a note to me in quoting Pinter (it's about 10.50 in to this youtube):

 “Political language, as used by politicians, does not venture into any of this territory [of the artist] since the majority of politicians, on the evidence available to us, are interested not in truth but in power and in the maintenance of that power. To maintain that power it is essential that people remain in ignorance, that they live in ignorance of the truth, even the truth of their own lives. What surrounds us therefore is a vast tapestry of lies, upon which we feed.”

All but the most myopic among us must now see that the ALP is interested only in the maintenance of its power; and that the ALP is willing to sacrifice the freedom of expression of the Australian people and the Australian media to maintain that power.  As a polity, we cannot accept what is happening.




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Don't ask, don't tell

Of all the dangerous things this mob have done, the threat to a free media and freedom of expression is the most dangerous.


All but the most myopic among us must now see that the ALP is interested only in the maintenance of its power; and that the ALP is willing to sacrifice the freedom of expression of the Australian people and the Australian media to maintain that power. As a polity, we cannot accept what is happening.
The above should be printed in bold type on every single bit of Liberal advertising.
It distresses me to read the offhand remark that 'both Parties are the same', on various forums. The deep philosophical differences are there in plain sight for all to see.


We don't have a free media. We have a media owned and operated by rich barons who abuse the privacy of the citizenary of the countries in which they operate for their own financial gain.

Case in point, Murdoch and his British newspapers. A media that would hack the phones of dead children and the families of soldiers killed in war is not one that deserves protection.

Bring Back the Balance

Cannot the Coalition just re - legislate on Day 1 in power along with the Carbon Tax re-legislation? If the senate then block the legislation they could bank on the anger of the electorate and set the wheels in motion for a Double Dissolution at the earliest possible opportunity...

My bet is that the electorate would be even angrier than they are now about their mandate being blocked by zealots with no conscience and zero mandate...Such election would pretty much rid us of hard left socialism for 20 years or more I reckon....

On reflection, this would be the best outcome possible for all Australians I believe......


Malcolm Farr's take on the issue is interesting......

Either ALP wants this issue off the agenda, or is trying to bully. Or it wants the reporting of it in a way which controls the narrative, whether legislation passes or not....


Dennis Thompson

I think that their control manual came from the Moscow School of Control written during the USSR period.


The internet genie's out of the bottle, and there's no way Conroy can put the stopper pack.

He can push through all the law he wants, but who's listening now?

As Bob Dylan says, things have changed.

Besides, any new laws are only worth the enforcement strenght behind them, and any new government can change or repeal them.

Bring Back the Balance

@ Matt...

So you support the privatisation of the ABC then Matt to "balance" off this "unfree" media of course....

Wouldn't do to have the GOVERNMENT taking sides in the marketplace against a private individual owner using his own and other taxpayers' money, would it mate???

Why, that would be Pravda-type Communism, and from your post you are all for freedom, right???


From The Big Bamboozle Page 24 by Philip Marshall.

"The Intelligence Community
The brain behind the Intelligence Comunity is an incredible group of individuals. They have over a hundred years of deep roots into secret societies at Ivy League Schools.
They have deep roots into Wall Street banks.
They control the FBI, CIA, DHS, TSA, DEA, the Department of Defense, the Justice Department and the United States Treasury. They have "lost" $15 trillion from the treasury.

Yet, a vast majority of taxpayers are unaware of their existence.

This is the shadow authority that you are paying for and yet, have no say in their actions.

They weren't voted in and they can't be voted out."

Would this be the same Military Industrial Complex that Dwight D. Eisenhower warned us all about?


Would this be the same Military Industrial Complex that JFK and others seeking peace gave their lives for?

Doubtful John

Julia was heckled in parliament today, which led to Anna Burke oberving, "I will remind members of the gallery that they are not participants in question time," Ms Burke told the chamber.

"And if they continue we may have to curtail public access to question time.

"I don't think Australians quite realise the access they get to this place."

I don't think Anna Burke quite realizes that the day an attempt is made to curtail public access to our parliament is likely to be the day that the Australian people seize access to OUR parliament. Access is not a privilege meted out to us by our elected Lords, it is our right as citizens! Perhaps if our Government and PM earned respect they would enjoy respect.

Why are the media so critical of Labor?. It is because to slap a bare arse is hard to resist.


Re the notion about a double dissolution. This can be a double jeopardy.

Today I looked at case that went before the High Court in the 1970s. The case was Vic vs Commonwealth and Connor re the Petroleum and Minerals Act 1973.The justices overturned the legislation on Constitutional grounds relating to the calling of a double dissolution.

Instead of waiting for things to happen after a General Election, we need to make sure that this legislation does not pass by attempting once again to wake people up to the very dangers that it represents.

Since such legislation does in fact infringe upon our right to freedom of speech I wonder if this could end up being an infringement of our Constitutional rights. The problem I see is that we do not have a Bill of Rights that guarantees our Freedom of Speech.

The thing that will cause difficulty for an Abbott led government is going to be the Senate. If the Coalition fails to secure a majority of Senate seats by at least paring back the influence of the Greens then we could have a situation where legislation is rejected (out of spite and because the Greens are Watermelons and they are ridiculous and they are in fact Marxists except for Sarah 2Fathers who is simply a fool). If this is the situation, then the Abbott government has to wait 3 months prior to introducing the legislation into the Lower House again and then sending it back to the Senate. If after 3 months it is rejected by the Senate again, then Abbott can call that double dissolution. It is going to be a long wait until we get the opportunity to take revenge upon the Watermelons.

Don't ask, don't tell

Good stuff doubtful john. Rather than just chastise the wrongdoers in the public gallery Burke sought to threaten us all.

That's the new low in Aussie politics today.


I have said this before and I shall say it again. Conroy is the most dangerous man we have in OUR Parliament. As Andrew Bolt has said, "He used to be a good friend, but he has changed".

Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Lord Acton


look how Matt the troll creates a bunch of furphies in an effort to distract...well

1. What happens in Britain among the British Press stays in Britain. It is none of our business. The fact that Murdoch at some point purchased News of the World is irrelevant. The journalists there were always grubs.

2. Matt fails completely and utterly to understand the difference between freedom of speech and what he thinks is free... that is something that you do not pay for. Murdoch etc used their own capital to invest in the newspapers around the world, often injecting cash into an ailing paper. Such cash injections are not going to save the New York Times and failed to save News of the World. However, this does not deal with OUR right to freedom of speech.

If these reforms go ahead then journalists will be curtailed in a way that will chill our right to free speech. This is unacceptable. Take for example the political cartoonists they probably have the most to fear from the attempts to curtail political content and comment in the press today. They should have the right to lampoon politicians on both sides of politics. It is their right.

Freedom of speech is the one thing that keeps us free from the slavery of Communism and Marxism. In the Marxist/Fascist/Communist world one of the first things that gets curtailed is the press. If you do not toe the line you get punished... and sometimes the punishment leads to being lined up against a wall.

It is our right to speak up against any government that is doing the wrong thing. In the 1960s we had the anti-Vietnam moratorium movement. It was not a pleasant time and those of us who were not interested in protesting had to find ways to move around the protesters. Most of the time we did just fine. It was their right to protest.

If this government is allowed to stifle our right to free speech, then as a nation we are lost and will end up mourning the loss of more freedoms than just those granted to the press.

The right to free speech is in fact a basic human right, and no government or ideology has the right to take away our freedom of speech.

The Citizens United case in the USA was decided upon on the grounds of the right to free speech. One of the things that was uppermost on the minds of the Roberts Court was the effect that the legislation had on the chilling of free speech. The legislation involved related to political donations and the running of a documentary during a primary which was critical of Hilary Clinton. The decision did not allow foreign donations which should always be a no no but it was more concerned about the right of people to come together in order to produce something like the documentary in question. It was a more complex case than we had been led to believe by the DNC propaganda concerning that decision.

I mention it because of the relevance regarding the effects of chilling free speech.


Truth, art, politics....all I want to know is WHO BASHED BOB K? Because one bashing is one too many for me. And Anna Burke can drag me down to the gulag if she wants.

Don of Qld

Conroy....dangerous and delusional
However he stated he wanted to push it through but if it did not happen then that would be the end of it.
I believe he sees the reality of it in that he will get one shot before the election and he knows that he most certainly will not after the election.

Being a journalist I suggest Tony Abbott would fight tooth and nail against the legislation any way.
Additionally do not be surprised if Oakshotte does not dump the government in the next couple of weeks over this regional funding issue. Its his last chance to save some face with his constituents anyway.

I think Conrod might have some difficulty getting his legislation through.

R we there yet

Thank you Mr Smith and Mr Pinter for sharing , such a thought provoking article /voiced with a tunnel.
I found that very sentimental to say the least.
He seems to care and that is appreciated.How important to listen to/with.

michelle 2

Did you know that Labor changed the electoral rules recently, they want the voters to have less choice. More likely they don't want more competition.

seeker of truth

Stephen Conroy is to be very much feared. Why the rush??? In whose public interest are these laws??

Malcolm Turnbull spoke to Ross Greenwood on 2GB this evening. He makes a lot of sense to the average man.

Here is the link

Food for thought -

"Censorship in Nazi Germany
Censorship was rampant throughout Nazi Germany. Censorship ensured that Germans could only see what the Nazi hierarchy wanted people to see, hear what they wanted them to hear and read only what the Nazis deemed acceptable. The Nazi police dealt with anyone who went outside of these boundaries. Censorship dominated the lives of the ordinary citizen in Nazi Germany.
The prime mover in censorship was the Minister of Propaganda, Joseph Goebbels. It was his responsibility to see that the German people were fed with material acceptable to the Nazi state. Newspapers, radio and all forms of media were put under the control of the Nazis. Even the film industry became controlled by the Nazis where the leading light was Leni Riefenstahl - who, though favoured by Hitler, did not enjoy a good relationship with Goebbels. Music was controlled by the Nazis. Music by Gustav Mahler and Felix Mendelssohn was banned as they were both Jews. Jazz was also banned. Even telling jokes about Hitler became a serious offence - one to send you to the concentration camps and potentially death."

Link - http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/censorship_in_nazi_germany.htm

We should write again to our Fed MP (if he will accept your emails.I can't get through the gatekeeper at Peter Garrett's website so I would say that I am already being denied my freedom of speech.

michelle 2

Conroy is a very dangerous dude I'm listening to him on Lateline now, it sounds like he has his eyes on shutting down blogs as well. (Is there a new definition for 'independent' as he keeps mentioning it, Labors meaning = we will hand pick from our socialist mates)
His demeanor sounds/looks like one of desperation to get this legislation passed in the current sitting as the other MP's only have 8 days to decide on their vote.

michelle 2

I'm just reading another article I found through Pandora - 'Dream Teamwork'
"Gillard was one of Latham's most assiduous backers, a political confidante who stuck with him to the bitter, bitter end and beyond - to her professional detriment.

"Her enemies always say she's an opportunistic careerist," says one of Gillard's factional allies. "If that's the case, she'd have ditched Latham when it became clear he'd lost the plot. But she's still loyal - still says how badly he was treated."

jenni cummins

Conroys last ditch effort to control us. Malcom Turnball had a good presser yesterday about it, although i sometimes find him a loose cannon. Enough controls are already in place. This truly should, of all their 'control em' poliies, be of concern to all. Thnx for video Michael, what an interesting man.


Conroy's blatant long attempt to censor the media in favour of Labor/Greens agenda thankfully is doomed to fail. Fact he sets deadline to pass this hideous policy of this House sitting or else it is junked might indicate he fears electoral backlash if this issue remains on the political agenda.....

Monty of Brisbane

How do we stop them?

Cheryl Clifford

OT, Does anyone know how the rally went yesterday? I can't find anything about it anywhere.


Funny picture regarding Ranga's Rooster featuring Stalin (causing great humour)....

Rankin Voter

Another boat arrives only this time its the Siev Conroy 457 direct from North Korea carrying a boat load of policy seekers, and the first one to land and be granted full assylum is the Freedom to Speech policy,fortunately the policy smuggler has been identified as the daughter of parents who belonged to the Communist party and she herself was a long standing member of the Socialist Forum. It is widely expected that this smuggler will be banished from Australia on the 14th Sept and democracy will return to the Australian shores.

michelle 2

Here is lateline last night with Mr Red Undies

michelle 2

Wrong link before of Conroy's interview on Lateline try this one

John Bromhead

I hope people take the time to watch all of this video. I imagine that there would be more people in Laborites than Liberal supporters would agree with Pinter, particularly concerning the USA and it's foreign policy atrocities from the end of WW2 until now.

John Bromhead

I hope people watch all of Howard Pinter's video. I imagine more Laborites than Liberal supporters would agree with Pinter as he discusses US foreign policy atrocities from the end of WW2 up to today.

michelle 2

Conroy might have the numbers to pass his media laws as they are wheeling and dealing with the Independents and Greens.


This is a great example of how we have to stand up for liberty or lose the most basic freedoms.

Free Speech Ban REVERSED by City of Austin


The Mainstream Media is infiltrated with CIA Assets and that is World Wide.

Anderson Cooper - CNN is a CIA Asset just one example.

CIA Funding and Manipulation of the U.S. News Media



Do you honestly believe that the mainstream media is telling the truth?

michelle 2

Here is another article on one of Latham's Roosters and Big Bill's mate


"Our disinformation program will be complete when everything the American public believes is false.” William Casey, CIA Director 1981-1987

Social Engineering and the 21st Century Truth Emergency


In 2013 the truth emergency is greater than ever, and in the era of seemingly never-ending pseudo-events and Potemkin villages presented by major media as the reality with which we must contend, the application of independent reason in pursuit of truth has all too frequently been replaced with an unthinking obeisance toward the smokescreen of expertise disguising corporate power and control.

James F. Tracy



This post is about the truth.

This comment is about the truth.

Thus this comment is relevant.

I previously submitted a comment on this post. This comment did not appear. I then submitted another comment relating to the censorship of the first and how this was damaging the site, quite apart from its direct effect on me.

The Sauce then contacted me by e-mail. After an exchange of a few e-mails he signed off by saying that my e-mail address was now consigned to junk.

I have commented a number of times on this site, which anyone can review if they wish to judge if I am inclined to be hysterical or abusive, and so I am submitting this to establish whether I am excluded from the site entirely, since that is not clear.

The truth of this sites actual policy may be made more apparent by the appearance of this or not.



Your emails go to my spam folder, not your comments.. trash me as much as you want, just keep it factual.


@ sauce

This response from you gives the overwhelming impression that I have been "trashing" you in my e-mails, full of wild comments, and that you have been very tolerant.

Which is the impression you intended to give.

This is a claim to moral superiority in the face of attacks from a base motive and/or expression.

This is listed above my comment simply stating facts and purpose, and making no personal reference to you outside the strict definition of your role as moderator.

This site generally has its appeal in its claim to seek truth. This post is specifically about truth.

Just today, Michael is the subject in the Australian Parliament of an attempt to have truth acknowledged and seen by all.

Will you adhere to that same basic standard?

Will you list not just my original comment, but the follow up when it was not listed? Unmodified?

Will you publish here all the e-mail exchanges between us?

So that whatever is true can be seen?

Or will you not list even this, leaving you with the last word with no right of reply?

Although this is unlikely to be seen now by anyone, as I said in my last e-mail to you, a gesture of listing my original comment might not be completely empty, and so it is here.

Things seen as they are. Truth

Right of reply.

Your response will define you.

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