This is Stuart Hetherington

This is Paul Galbally.

What Ralph Blewitt said on oath - you can find the transcript in full here.

Q. Is that an advertisement that you caused to be published The West Australian?
A. I physically took that advertisement to The West Australian - that was possibly the day prior to it being published - lodged it and paid the appropriate fee for the advert to be placed in the paper.

 Q. Who drafted it?
 A. It came from the Slater & Gordon office in Melbourne and was handed to me at the conclusion of a meeting I had there with Bruce Wilson, Julia Gillard, Bernard Murphy and myself.

Q. I think I interrupted you, I'm sorry. You were going to say something about what occurred at the meeting at Slater & Gordon?
 A. Well, you were asking the question, yes. Okay.  Bruce Wilson, Bernard Murphy and Julia Gillard sat probably three or four metres away from me. I didn't take an active part in the discussions they had about the rules or the formation of the association. I sat in the background. My role there was to just sign off as the secretary of the association.

Q. Then in paragraph 2, there is some further handwriting describing the main purpose for which the association was formed, and there are the words "Development of changes to work to achieve safe workplaces"; do you see that?
A. That's my handwriting. And those words - there was a hesitation between Bruce Wilson, Gillard and Bernard Murphy about precisely what words should be put in there. It was thought up on the spot, so to speak, and they said, "All right, just write this."

Q. When did you actually first meet Ms Gillard?
 A. I think my first meeting with Ms Gillard was at the meeting I attended with Bruce Wilson in Melbourne, as I indicated earlier, in the presence of Bernard Murphy, to discuss - or for Bernard Murphy, Ms Gillard and Bruce Wilson to discuss the establishment of the Workplace Reform Association. I think that was the first time I ever met her.

Q. That was in February 1992?
 A. Around that date, yes. 

Q. At that meeting, was that meeting conducted at the offices of Slater & Gordon in Melbourne?
 A. Yes.
 
 Q. And there was yourself, Mr Wilson, Mr Murphy?
 A. Yes.

 Q. And --
 A. Ms Gillard.

 Q. -- Ms Gillard?
 A. Yes.

Q. After that meeting, did you go out socialising with any of the others?
 A. The four of us - that's Bernard Murphy, Julia Gillard,  myself and Bruce Wilson - exited the Slater & Gordon offices. We invited Bernard Murphy to join us for dinner.  He declined and said he had to get home to his family.  Ms Gillard, myself and Bruce Wilson went to the Windsor hotel in Melbourne and had dinner. I felt very uncomfortable, actually; it's a bit plush for me. I'm more the corner milkbar type. Yes, we had dinner there. I left early, and, to the best of my knowledge --

Q. I want to ask you about your dealings with Mr Bernard Murphy. When did you first meet Mr Murphy?
 A. After Bruce Wilson attained the leadership of the AWU WA branch, became the secretary, we changed law firms  and Slater & Gordon's representative came to the Perth office and Bernard Murphy was the person that was introduced to us that would be looking after our industrial matters.
Q. Would that have been in 1991?
 A. Yes.

 Q. Do you recall when you next met him?
 A. I think the next meeting was at the Slater & Gordon office with Julia Gillard, myself and Wilson.