Ms Zanatta has been sworn and is seated in the witness box.   She has been shown a transcript of her previous appearance at the Commission.

Ms Zanatta was shown an email trail regarding information concerning the confidential superannuation details of employees at LisCon.

Mr Stoljar put to Ms Zanatta that her evidence regarding the leaking of confidential CBUS information concerning LisCon workers to the CFMEU was less than complete.

Ms Zanatta said that it was complete.

Mr Stoljar has taken Ms Zanatta to her work diary and a flight to Sydney.   She states that the purpose of the flight was to attend a meeting at the CBUS property office in George Street Sydney.   She found out on arrival that the meeting had been cancelled.

Ms Zanatta gave a very detailed story about arriving in the CBD with a flat battery on her mobile, she made a phone call from a phone booth, she asked the cabbie if she could use his phone, she offered him $5 to use it - in any case, the trip to Sydney ended up comprising a quick trip to the CBD, a stop for the use of a phone booth, then a return to Melbourne.

Mr Stoljar tendered Ms Zanatta's work diary, which does not record details of the cancelled meeting in Sydney.   The Commissioner asked why it wasn't there - Ms Zanatta said she was moving from a hard copy to electronic.

Mr Stoljar said, "The real reason it's not there is because you have knowingly given false evidence to the Commission, you made that story up, isn't it?"

Ms Zanatta denied that assertion.

She is now being shown her phone records for 18 July this year - she was taken to a phone call with Mr Parker at 2.06PM on 18 July for 6 minutes.   A short time later she sent her request to Employer Accounts for certain CBUS client records.

Ms Zanatta was shown an email she sent to Ms Butera acknowledging that she had the data Mr Parker asked for and asking how to proceed in forwarding it "without consent".

She acknowledged sending the email.

Ms Zanatta was shown phone records that show she phoned Mr Parker soon after the Butera email.

Stoljar, "What you needed to do was to make arrangements to get the bundle of CBUS client information to Mr Parker in Sydney, didn't you?"

She was then shown a phone record for a call to Ms Hines, Mr Stoljar, "You rang Ms Hines and asked her to arrange a trip to Sydney, didn't you?"

Ms Zanatta, "I did not."

Mr Stoljar now produces some documents marked FCN Travel Solutions.   Stoljar, "This is the itinerary Ms Hines prepared for you - have a look at the bottom of the page, it was generated a few minutes after your conversation with Ms Hines?  It was a few minutes after you conversation with Mr Parker?"

The travel itinerary shows the cost code, the budget line as "meeting with union".

Mr Stoljar said, "Ms Zanatta, you know there are serious penalties for perjury?"

Mr Stoljar showed Ms Zanatta courier details for a bundle of documents sent from the CBUS office to her home in Point Cook.   Centre Express Couriers picked up the bundle and delivered to Ms Zanatta's home in Point Cook.

This is tragic to watch.

I feel terribly sorry for the Commissioner who will have to deal with this young lady.

Mr Stoljar shows Ms Zanatta an NAB Visa purchasing document relating to the cab fare in Sydney.

Stoljar says, "You know you've been caught out, don't you?"

Ms Zanatta persists in her denials.

Mr Stoljar tendered the Visa bill for about $130.

Ms Zanatta was shown a taxi activity report for taxi 8064.  The yellow highlight shows the track the taxi took.

Ms Zanatta got into the cab at 1104.   The cab drove for 30 minutes, the cab stopped, meter off, engine off.   The cab then drove off.   The cab drove to the CFMEU office in Lidcombe.

Counsel for CBUS has asked that Mr Stoljar give the witness a Certificate regarding warnings for perjury.

The Commissioner asked Counsel what warning he would like him to give to the witness.

Counsel for CBUS asked for a 5 minute adjournment.

The hearing is adjourned while Counsel for CBUS gives certain advice to Ms Zanatta.

Silly girl.

The Commissioner is now giving a warning to Ms Zanatta.

He now says she could get 5 years gaol.

Ms Zanatta said, "Thank you."

Ms Zanatta now admits that she gave false evidence, it was an absolute lie.

She agrees that she did that to protect a number of people.   One of them was Mr Parker and she was also trying to protect the CBUS CEO Mr Aitken.

Ms Zanatta does not agree that she obtained the CBUS information regarding LisCon so that Mr Parker could arrange for those members to be contacted in order for him to make trouble for LisCon.

Ms Zanatta is now reverting to giving partial answers.

She agrees that she gave knowingly false evidence earlier - she persists in her version of events that she only spoke to Parker about the 4 months arrears that LisCon was in with CBUS.

She states that she didn't request all the data she received, she states Mr Parker did not indicate that he wanted contact details of members of CBUS including their telephone contact details.

Stoljar, "Why were you going through the charade of going up to Sydney if it was only arrears details?"

Zanatta, "I don't have an answer."

Ms Zanatta was shown the bundles of documents she dropped off at the CFMEU office at Lidcombe.

Stoljar, "You brought those documents yourself to Sydney because you didn't want to email them or put them in the post, didn't you?"

Zanatta, "I wanted to have a meeting with him to discuss other union business anyway."

Stoljar, "Why didn't you ring him up?"

Stoljar, "You knew those contact details were going to be used to contact CBUS members and make trouble with the LisCon employees?"

Zanatta, "No."

Stoljar, "You're continuing to give dishonest evidence, aren't you?'

Mr Stoljar is now taking Ms Zanatta to her previous evidence.   He asked if she knew she was lying then, she said correct.

Mr Stoljar asked if Mr Parker knew Ms Zanatta was lying for him, she said, "I'm not sure."

Mr Zanatta agrees that she used to work at the CFMEU.

Mr Stoljar asked in her previous appearance, "Was there any occassion on which you have ever passed on member information to anyone in the CFMEU?"

She answer, "Not member information, arrears information, but not member information."

MR Stoljar, "Now that was a lie wasn't it?"

What on earth could have been worth all of this for this foolish woman.   It is a stark insight into the code of the union/Labor movement.

The Commissioner, "You've got to concentrate on the question and stop trying to evade the point, it was false to your knowledge wasn't it?"

Zanatta, "Correct."

Ms Zanatta persists in the partial charades, she admits to some of her false evidence but persists in disagreeing with Mr Stoljar's propositions regarding the entirety of her evidence.

She gives evasive answers like, "I don't believe it had been at that stage."

Ms Zanatta disagrees that she has been involved in a coverup, she says it was about protecting people and it involved the inappropriate release of personal details.   But then ads it wasn't the type of information I would normally deal in.

She was asked if she rang Mr Parker during June or July.   She doesn't recall.

Stoljar, "You came here to the Commission today and you had deliberately concocted a false story, you have gone through the records and you had come to the Commission with that plan in mind, you had come to the Commission, with the premeditated intention of providing false evidence, didn't you?"

Zanatta, "yes that's right."

She claims she did not speak to anyone about her plans to give false evidence.

Stand by for the phone.

At 4.38 Mr Stoljar completed his examination.

It must be a dreadful thing to sit in the hearing room for that horrible spectacle.

Mr Agius has some questions.   At 4.40PM Mr Agius completed his cross examination.

Counsel for CBUS asked Ms Zanatta what was it that she took to Sydney.

The Commissioner is perusing two bundles of papers held together with bulldog clips, he asked if those were the two bundles.   Ms Zanatta said yes.

At 4.52PM The Commissioner excused Mr Zanatta from further attendance on this summons.

Last one of these she'll do.