Royal Commission CFMEU hearing at midday - first witness Maria Butera
Just as Brian Parker started giving evidence ....we lost power.

Royal Commission CFMEU hearing continues - NSW State Secretary Brian "Sparkles" Parker in the witness box

Sparkles oath

Brian Parker was sworn properly.

Mr Stoljar asked him a series of questions about phone calls and conversations with Ms Zanatta, Mr Atkin and others.

Mr Parker admits to participating in phone calls, particularly where there are call-records of those calls being made or received.   However he does not admit to the content of those conversations, he is consistently giving the "I can't recall" answer.

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Mr Parker's answers to the last few questions I've heard makes one thing crystal clear - he is studiously adopting the "Can't Remember a Flamin' Thing" approach.

I don't think he's particularly convincing - however it must be frustrating for Counsel Assisting whose job is to get to the truth and expose falsehoods.

It would appear that the i-message facility on Ms Zanatta's computer also stores text messages.   Mr Parker may well be looking at a similar evidentiary fate as befell Ms Butera.

Ms Stoljar put to Mr Parker that this evidence given by him to the Commission on 23 October was false.

Transcript

Mr Parker confirmed the truth of that evidence.

Mr Stoljar pointed out that Mr Parker had given 3 different versions of his recollection of the phone calls - I can't recall, I deny that happened and something else that will have to wait for the transcript.

Mr Parker gets himself in strife when he deviates from the CRAFT script.

Mr Parker denies that he said to Ms Zanatta, "Everything is safe, in my hands."

He denies he had the confidential CBUS information.

He confirms that he had a phone conversation with Ms Zanatta.

He denies that the phone conversation was about the confidential member information.

Mr Parker was shown a note prepared by Ms Zanatta shortly after speaking with Mr Parker.

Ms Butera said, "Did BP call you back?

Ms Zanatta said, "No, I'll call him now.

The phone records show Mr Parker had a telephone conversation at 11.54 with Ms Zanatta.

At 11.59 Ms Zanatta i-messaged Ms Butera and said, "Everything is still safe, in his hands only".

Mr Parker responded with, "I wouldn't have a clue".

Mr Parker denied that he has given false evidence on this matter.    He denies knowledge of having given false evidence.   But he's starting to remember some things and not others, it doesn't help his credibility.

At 2.55PM Mr Stoljar completed his examination.

Ms Heath is now cross-examining Ms Parker.

She points out that in an i-message exchange Ms Zanatta and Mr Parker refer to each other as "comrade".   He says that he called her comrade because she called him comrade.   Ms Heath asked if it was an unusual mode of address  - Mr Parker said it wasn't.   Likewise he said it wasn't unusual for someone from CBUS to sign off on a message with "Yours in Unity".   He agrees that he did not query those words.   He does not accept Ms Heath's proposition that the "Yours in Unity" suggests that Ms Zanatta and Mr Parker were engaged in some joint activity.

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Ms Heath, not unreasonably, suggested to Mr Parker that Ms Zanatta's mode of address, "Comrade" and "Yours in Unity" gave rise to the view that each of them felt that their organisations, CBUS and the CFMEU were engaged in some activity where their interests coincided.   Mr Parker disagreed.

At 3.03 Ms Heath completed her cross examination.   No one else wanted a go.   He has been excused.

Mr Stoljar asked the Commissioner to excuse Ms Butera as well, the Commissioner pointed out that the last time the Commission excused her it caused considerable additional expense in recalling her, she has not been excused from attendance on the current summons.

At 3.05PM the Commission rose and was adjourned to a date to be fixed.

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