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Man sentenced to death for atheism in Saudi Arabia - still think Islam "abhors violence" ABC et al?

Man ‘sentenced to death for atheism’ in Saudi Arabia

Man identified by local media as Ahmad Al-Shamri, in his 20s, lost two appeals after being arrested on charges of blasphemy for social media videos in which he denounced the Prophet Mohammed 

A  man in Saudi Arabia has reportedly been sentenced to death on charges of apostasy after losing two appeals. 

Several local media reports identified the man as Ahmad Al Shamri, in his 20s, from the town of Hafar al-Batin, who first came to the authorities’ attention in 2014 after allegedly uploading videos to social media in which he renounced Islam and the Prophet Mohammed. 

He was arrested on charges of atheism and blasphemy and held in prison before being convicted by a local court and sentenced to death in February 2015.

Authorities in Saudi Arabia have used a viral party video to identify and arrest partygoers in the country

At the time Mr Shamri’s defence entered an insanity plea, adding that his client was under the influence of drugs and alcohol at the time of making the videos. 

He reportedly lost an Appeals Court case, and a Supreme Court ruled against him earlier this week.

While news stories in the last few years consistently identify Mr Shamri, his identity or sentencing has not been verified by the Saudi authorities. 

The Independent’s requests for comment from Saudi government representatives were not immediately answered.  

Under Saudi Arabia’s strict religious laws, leaving Islam can be punishable by harsh prison sentences and corporeal punishment - and a 2014 string of royal decrees under the late King Abdullah re-defined atheists as terrorists, according to a report by Human Rights Watch. 

Last year, a citizen was sentenced to 10 years in prison and 2,000 lashes for expressing atheistic sentiment in hundreds of social media posts.

Mr Shamri’s name and hometown have trended on Arabic-speaking Twitter in the last few days. Some users have even celebrated his sentencing.

“If you're a lowkey atheist that's fine. But once you talk in public & criticize God or religion, then you shall be punished,” one such post read. 

“I wish there could be live streaming when you cut his head off,” said another.

ABC Islamic violence "investigation" ignores senior Imam Sheik Shady's sermons - quotes Waleed Aly's wife instead

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The ABC is playing a dangerous game with its apologia for Islam.

On Monday, in response to publicity about Islam's endorsement of domestic violence, the ABC announced:

In an ongoing ABC News investigation, we look at the ways Islam, Christianity and other religions are being forced to confront the darkness in their own midst, the fact that some of their followers at times condone or tolerate domestic violence, and to grapple with how best to combat it.

This week, Islam.

What a white wash.  It's summed up in these opening sentences, with the theme recurring throughout the "investigation".

ABC News has interviewed dozens of scholars, imams, social workers and women's advocates over the past several weeks......there is a strong consensus that Islam abhors all violence, including domestic abuse.

The report noted that Islamists among us responded to recent criticism of their violent teachings with this statement:

"We firmly believe that we, as a community, must not shy away from the clarification of Islamic injunctions, however controversial, let alone succumb to reinterpretations of Islam forced by liberal hounding," they said.

"In fact, the greater the pressure, the greater our adherence to Islam must be."

That position paraphrases the Grand Mufti in his strong support of Sheik Shady last year - after the Sheik was criticised for advocating Islamic teaching on homosexuals.  

The statement is no surprise, it's policy, it's what Islamists do.  Islam is Islam, it can't be changed.

The ABC, however, had a greater authority up its sleeve.



That's Waleed Aly's wife Susan Carland with Turnbull and another celebrity Muslim Yassmin Abdel Magied.

This is a direct quote from the ABC investigation:

But Susan Carland, who teaches gender studies, politics, and sociology at Monash University, said that (the statement above) was a "minority opinion within Islam" in Australia.

"In this kind of situation, we only want to be hearing from people who actually know what they're talking about, we want to be hearing from imams and those sort of people," Dr Carland said

OK let's do that. Here's their Wikipedia page.

Australian National Imams Council

The Australian National Imams Council (ANIC) was formed in 2006 during a meeting of more than 80 Sunni imams which had gathered to discuss the crisis created by comments made by Taj El-Din Hilaly.

The ANIC elects the Grand Mufti of Australia. The current Grand Mufti is Dr. Ibrahim Abu Mohamed.  On a 2012 visit to the Gaza Strip, where he met Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh, he told local news agencies, "I am pleased to stand on the land of jihad to learn from its sons".[8][9]

The ANIC has called for the offence of "advocating terrorism" to be removed from the "Foreign Fighters Bill", saying a cleric could fall foul of the law if he simply "advocated the duty of a Muslim to defend his land" or referred to stories in the Quran, Bible and Torah in his sermons.[10]

In February 2015 the Grand Mufti said the Australian Government should not ban Hizb ut-Tahrir, saying the group is "actually pro-freedom of speech".[11] The Prime Minister responded by saying the comments were "unhelpful".[12]

In 2016, Sheikh Shady Alsuleiman, who has criticised homosexuals,[13][14] supported the mujahideen,[15][16] been cited as supporting the stoning of adulterers,[17] was elected president of ANIC. Australia's Grand Mufti, Ibrahim Abu Mohamed has defended Alsuleiman, saying Islam has a, "longstanding" position on homosexuality" which "no person can ever change". He said that any attempt to call out its teachings could lead to radicalisation.[18]

But none of that for the ABC report.

The gender studies, politics and sociology teacher trumped the Islamic scholars.

Islam doesn't abhor violence.  It is built on it.  Muhammad beheaded prisoners of war. He took sex slaves as booty.  His teachings endorse those practices to today.

Sheik Shady is the most senior Imam in Australia.  His teachings aren't hard to find. took me about 10 minutes to find freaky weirdo boy's rantings.   Shame we have an incompetent liar for Prime Minister and an ABC hell-bent on covering up for a violent cult.

Here's one from Sheik Shady for starters, "Never become like them".

Turnbull's decision to invite this dangerous psychopath to his official residence for dinner casts further doubt on his judgement and fitness to lead our government.

And here's the Sheikh of Hate asking that question on everyone's lips - can we kill civilians who aren't Muslim yet?

Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull dines with hate preacher

AN Islamic preacher — who once called AIDS a divine punishment for gays and for God to “prepare us for jihad”- dined with Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull at Kirribilli House tonight.

Sheik Shady Al-Suleiman, the national president of the Australian National Imams Council, has said in online videos that females will be “hung by the breasts in hell” and that women should not even look at men

He was among a group of religious leaders and prominent Islamic Australians hosted by the PM at an Iftar dinner to mark the holy month of Ramadan at Kirribilli House.

The Australian-born Sheik Shady has previously called on God to help “destroy the enemies of Islam” and for adulterers to be stoned to death.

Among the guests at the dinner included Gold Logie winner Waleed Aly and wife Susan Carland, head of the Australian Multicultural Foundation Hass Dellal, Archbishop of Sydney, Reverend Glenn Davies and Richmond footballer Bachar Houli.

In online videos Shiek Shady has called for the killing of women who engage in premarital sex: “Remember that if there is an Islamic state the punishment of zina [sex outside marriage], the punishment of those who commit zina, if they have never been married before, they will be lashed 100 lashes,” he says.


Here's the follower of Muhammad on women (uncovered meat to TomCat Muslim good ole boys) - women will burn in the fires of hell


Here's freaky-weirdo on women who get raped out of wedlock.

PS - here's a last word from the Sheikh "can we kill civilians yet" of Hate, dinner guest of Malcolm no-judgement, unfit for office Turnbull.
Dear Mr Turnbull,
Thank you for directing that the Australian taxpayer feeds me at a full-on taxpayer funded Iftar tonight held at the official residence of the Prime Minister of an illegitimate man-made government whose laws we reject.
Here's what I think of Kuffirs like you.   Enjoy life while you can, the day of the "can we kill civilians yet" green light cometh as a thief in the night.

The ABC should butt out of the business of "fact-checking' and endorsing the violent Mohammedan cult.
People might read what the ABC reports and believe it - with tragic consequences.
  1. Lion, Patrick (31 December 2012). "Australia's Grand Mufti meets Hamas". Daily Telegraph. Retrieved 18 February 2015.
  2. Jump up^ "Australian Muslim cleric meets Hamas leader". ABC News (Australia). 31 December 2012. Retrieved 18 February 2015.
  3. Jump up^ Aston, Heath (8 October 2014). "Muslims warn anti-terror laws could prevent teaching from Koran". The Sydney Morning Herald. Retrieved 2 January 2015.
  4. Jump up^ Seymour, Brian (13 February 2015). "Australia's Grand Mufti slams government ban". Seven News. Retrieved 18 February 2015.
  5. Jump up^ "Abbott criticises Aust Muslim leader". Sky News. 15 February 2015. Retrieved 18 February 2015.

No need for 18C or vilification laws - the ABC has solution - retract,apologise and delete - problem solved.

This statement from the ABC today has no regard for the opinions of the ABC's audience.

It has no regard for the families and returned diggers offended by Ms Abdel-Magied's insult.

The ABC apparently doesn't need to hear from those stakeholders.

It has the solution to offensive insults - retract, apologise and delete.

Ms Abdel-Magied is being treated very differently from how Andrew Bolt or Mark Latham have been treated.

The ABC would be falling over itself to give a platform to the Muslim or African communities to express outrage if the tables were turned.

And retract, apologise and delete wouldn't cut it.


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Yassmin Abdel-Magied published on ANZAC Day a post on her Facebook page that she subsequently retracted, apologised for and deleted. Ms Abdel-Magied acknowledged that the timing and nature of the post was disrespectful. Her decision to delete it and apologise was appropriate.

Ms Abdel-Magied is a part-time presenter on the ABC program Australia Wide, introducing stories done by ABC reporters from around the country. When presenting for the ABC she works in accordance with ABC editorial and other policies.

Ms Abdel-Magied is also engaged in a range of other activities and work that is not related to the ABC. Her views and opinions in that capacity are her own and do not represent those of the ABC.

"Lest We Forget" is a registered Trade Mark. It's protected by laws to stop people like Magied.


Overnight the ABC issued a statement to The New Daily online publication and other media are apparently being referred to this article by the ABC.

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The ABC won’t take any action against Yassmin Abdel-Magied after the Muslim activist sparked outrage with an Anzac Day Facebook post asking Australians to also remember those on Manus Island, Nauru, Syria and Palestine.

The host of the ABC’s weekend program Australia Wide felt the wrath of social media users after posting: “Lest We Forget (Manus. Nauru. Syria. Palestine)”.

A spokesperson for the public broadcaster said the “part-time presenter” was also engaged in other activities that did not relate to the organisation.

“Her views and opinions in that capacity are her own and do not represent those of the ABC,” the spokesperson told The New Daily.

The ABC appears to have forgotten about its own social media policy.

Firstly, she made her post on Facebook - which brings into into the coverage of the policy.   

Secondly, the policy itself tells us whether or not she's subject to its provisions, they don't get to pick and choose - read on:

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The ABC itself says she's a worker.  This is from the ABC's QandA website

You can also find Yassmin presenting on TV, currently hosting ABC's weekly show, Australia Wide. She is a regular on Q&A, The Drum, The Project, and internationally on the BBC. On radio, Yassmin is a regular on Triple J's Hack, Radio National, and moonlights as a casual broadcaster on ABC Local. She is the host of the motorsport podcast Motor Mouth, and is the host for the groundbreaking documentary The Truth About Racism, due for release in March 2017. 

Ms Abdel-Magied made her offensive post to the internet, once published there's no putting the genie back in the bottle. 

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Is that likely to bring the ABC into disrepute?

So far 4,000 people have signed a petition calling for her sacking.

I've fielded hundreds upon hundreds of Twitter messages about the issue.

It's certainly diminished my opinion of the ABC.


Breach of Trade Mark

Beyond the offensive nature of her post itself, the term Lest We Forget is a registered Trade Mark.

It's owned by the RSL for and on behalf of our returned men and women.

It's permitted to be used on floral wreaths, messages of condolence for service men's families and the like.

It's registered and protect for a reason - precisely so it can't be abused in the way Ms smart-arse has done.

It's not the plaything of Muslim shit-stirrers.

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Try using Spirit of Australia, WhichBank or "Oh What A Feeling" within the category for which those Trade Marks are registered.


Trade marks

What is a trade mark?

A trade mark is a way of distinguishing the goods or services of your business from those of other businesses. It gives you exclusive rights to commercially use, license or sell the trade mark. This means that no one else in Australia can commercially use your trade mark within the class of goods and services it's registered under.

Any feature (or combination of features) that distinguishes your goods or services from others can be registered as a trade mark, such as a letter, number, word, phrase, sound, smell, shape, logo, picture or aspect of packaging.

If your business is bringing a unique product or service to market and will be using some form of branding, a trade mark is a legally enforceable way to protect:

  • letters
  • numbers
  • words
  • phrases
  • sounds
  • smells
  • shapes
  • logos
  • pictures
  • aspect of packaging
  • any combination of these that distinguishes your product from another.



Worker for the ABC - check.

Bringing the ABC into disrepute - check.

Why are you running a protection racket for her Ms Guthrie?

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Turnbull/Bishop hand out $500M new overseas aid in past 8 weeks - make Rudd/Gillard look responsible

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There's no shortage of feel-good money in Canberra.

That is money to make Turnbull or Bishop feel good.

More than $500M in feel-good money - in just the past 8 weeks.

Were you told we'd be handing out gifts like this?

Who said Iraq should get an extra $110M?  Or Yemen $10M?  Or Afghanistan a whopping $240M?

These people are worse than Rudd and Gillard - at least with Labor irresponsible spending is to be expected.

Half a billion new dollars - in just 8 weeks!!!!!?????

When did we decide to build a new education system for Myanmar ($71M) or add $40M to The Philippines Islamic system in the autonomous region of Mindanao?

$10M for gender equality, a few million for anti-terror pamphlets - and those hundreds of new millions for the bosses of Iraq and Afghanistan to launder.

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The greater tragedy is that while Bishop and Turnbull are off doing this:

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Children cannot choose their circumstances.

For one in seven Australian children and young people growing up in poverty,1 it can limit their choices, opportunities and outcomes in life. Investing in the education of a disadvantaged child delivers long-term positive benefits for them, their family and potentially generations to come.